"We the people." What does that mean? We the people have rights to do whatever we wish, by making this document? Excluding the word of God for the word of man. That's what it seems like nowadays.
We use the word "Humane" in some things, but humanity itself is cruel...and violent. Therefore, you might say, without the word of God, the U.S. Constitution is worthless and mundane. It is, in fact, dangerous because it leaves no restraint on the violence of human nature.
Feb 02, 2009 Rating
Split Decision by: Oliver
OK, I'll jump in. There's probably a lot of people with more knowledge than me, but here's my thought. I voted no to the Constitution being Christian and yes to America being a Christian nation. I know that sounds crazy -- maybe scitzophrenic.
I mean weren't they more "Christian" in 1787 then we are today? How can I pick up my newspaper today and say America is even close to Christian?
But hey, I look at it this way. OK, let's say this website has got it right about the Constitution. I'll admit it's a pretty good case.
That's hard for me to say because I was hooked on the Constitution from the start of my Christian life. Probably before. "God & Country" has been almost a mantra for me.
I've seen the American flag right up there with the Christian flag in some churches. And much as I hate to say it but it was the American flag that made my heart go "pitter-patter."
The thing about the religious test oath is what's just about pushed me over the line. It suddenly hit me, "yeah, it's true, it doesn't let anybody commit to God. That's not a good thing. That's not in the Bible, is it?"
On the other side of it I'm thinking the Pilgrim's still tried to do it for God. That's what they said in the Compact, and also the Puritans and maybe even some of the others.
So maybe we're like Israel in the Bible. They got pretty bad sometimes. But God still took them back usually. That gives me some hope. At least a little bit.
As bad as we are in America, could God possibly turn us around? Or could we turn it around to God again? Or are we too far gone by now? Does anybody have any thoughts on this?
Feb 02, 2009 Rating
U.S. Constitution Is A Secular Document by: Lee
I believed for many years that the U.S. Constitution was a Christian document. I had read that the founders were mostly Christians and were committed to setting up a Christian form of government.
Through my own research I have concluded that there was a strong element among the founders who wanted to establish a Christian nation, but in the end they were outnumbered by a majority that either preferred a secular state or wanted a nation guided by Christian beliefs but feared the Catholic or Church of England model where the church often governed in matters that went farther ecclesiastical issues.
I have not yet concluded for myself that the secular route was good or bad. On the one hand it has led to a more secular nation of people who have forgotten God and want to keep him out of public life, but on the other hand it has led to a lot of smaller, diverse and yet vibrant churches and a lot more religious freedom to explore views that might easily have been deemed unorthodox or even heresies by a super church.
I think we would have been winning the battle with the ACLU regarding the church and state issue, if we could base our position solely on the First Amendment, which I believe left this more of an open question.
However the post civil war 14th Amendment muddied the waters so badly that it is hard today to limit the scope of the First Amendment to the powers of Congress or merely as a prohibition against a national church.
One is deemed a nut today, if one claims that God judges nations for their moral collapse or that national disasters, whether hurricanes, earthquakes, terrorist attacks, or economic woes, are signs of His divine displeasure at our violating His laws.
Nonetheless, our forgetting His laws and the terms of His covenant does not for a moment suggest that He will ignore the consequences He has promised.
Feb 07, 2009 Rating
You Hit The Nail Right On The Head by: Rob Sculley
"Conservatives" have this fantasy(and republicans,too) that this nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles...but what does that really mean? It seems to have been a "fusion" of Christian and "Enlightenment"principles.
The problem is the impure will always pollute the pure. Then Haggai said, "'If one who is unclean from a corpse touches any of these, will the later become unclean?' and the priests answered and said, 'It will become unclean.'"
"The Haggai answered and said, "'So is this people. And so is this nation before Me,' declares the Lord, 'and so is every work of their hands; and what they offer there is unclean.'" God is not at all satisfied with "conservative" principles, when His law is ignored. Conservative humanism is no better than liberal humanism.
Nevertheless, I believe that God has dealt kindly with us, for His own purposes, and for His elect's sake. I pray daily the He would continue in His long-sufferings and one day bring revival to this land, and awaken His church from it's slumber... We have presumed on His grace for too long, and as with Israel of old, His patience has its limits.
Feb 07, 2009 Rating
U.S. Government Far From Perfect by: Chessie1948
We recently saw certain sound banking institutions being nationalized at huge profit to their new owners. It is evident that this country is run by Trilateralists and not Christian principles.
Some of our foundations emulated Mosaic government. And there were probably some residual effects from the Puritans.
But this surely is not a government designed to honor Christ. Where is His name even mentioned, let alone an oath of commitment to make His law the law of the land. All our leaders do is swear to bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution. God and His word is ignored.
The proper form of government won't happen until the Millenium. That was taught by Charles Spurgeon, Richard Baxter, Charnock, Bunyan, the Bible Presbyterian Church, and many others.
Aug 01, 2009 Rating
The Constitution Has No Teeth by: Anonymous
The Constitution says that Congress shall do some things, and no others. Yet there is no punishment for Congressmen who vote for unconstitutional laws.
There is no punishment for officers of the executive branch who violate the Constitutional rights of citizens. [anachronism? did they have the concept of "Constitutional rights" back then?]
There is no punishment for judicial officers who twist or stretch the Constitution to mean something that it never meant.
Oct 19, 2009 Rating
The Great Deception by: Daniel Wilson
I never gave it to much thought until about a year ago when I started reading Ted Weiland's Bible law VS U.S. Constitution.
At first was a bit offended and sort of shelved it, but as he continued to pound out articles, I started to get the big picture that we had been sold a bill of goods in 1787.
Daniel danwilson2002@netzero.net Daniel Wison, Salem Oregon,
Oct 19, 2009 Rating
What Was The Trigger? by: Dennis
Thank you for your comment, Daniel. You are to be commended. A lot of people never do get it. For their benefit could you elaborate what it was specifically that helped you "see the light?" What barrier(s) stood in your way and what was the "trigger" that finally clicked in your mind?
